Godot has finally shown up, but he's a vacuum cleaner salesman - a fraud with an agenda, like all modernists. Hope he finishes his pitch and leaves soon.




Wednesday, May 22, 2013

The History of Lying

So it's come to this.

No matter what the defenders of the Ordinary Magisterium of the Church say about the immorality of lying, Lying Apologists shoot back with ...


  • Oh, yeah?  Well what about when the Nazis come to the door?  What about undercover police work?  What about, "Honey, does this dress make me look fat?"  Huh?  Huh?  Huh????

They come back with these anecdotal hypotheticals no matter how many times we answer these same anecdotal hypotheticals.  

And worse, we are now hearing ...

  • Jesus was a Liar.  I may lie, too.

With all of this in mind, I am reposting an article I wrote on March 9 2011 (with some minor revisions so as to protect identities and make corrections).

It's long, but rather thorough, and, I hope, interesting to read.  

Comments will be closed, since the only ones I'll receive will be variations of those above.


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ALARMS AND VIOLENT DECISIONS by Kevin O'Brien - March 9, 2011

On Monday I returned from nearly two weeks on the road, our Great North Tour, in which we gave 15 performances of 7 scripts in 13 days in 6 states – from Grand Forks, North Dakota, to Holt’s Summit, Missouri. In all of that wonderful chaos God gave me the great blessing of being away from the internet. And two weeks away from the Lying for Jesus issue was very therapeutic.

But as therapy ends and Lent begins, I’d like to conclude my thoughts on the firestorm that swept us all up into the single most divisive issue I have encountered in ten years as a Catholic.


My Role in This

Back in August, James O’Keefe was invited to give what amounted to the keynote address at the American Chesterton Society Conference in Emmitsburg, Maryland. O’Keefe electrified the crowd by telling us that he was inspired by G. K. Chesterton (he did not mention his other role model, Saul Alinsky) and that he, James O’Keefe, was willing to live a monk –like existence harassed by leftists and lawyers as he struggled to serve “Veritas”, Truth, in his undercover videos.

During the Q & A, O’Keefe was asked point-blank, “How do you justify lying to others in your videos – leading them to believe you’re someone you’re not?” O’Keefe replied bluntly, “The end justifies the means. We are lying to serve truth.”

I realized immediately that this was a terrible answer.

The following afternoon, my actors and I performed our play Faith of our Father for the crowd, and I took the opportunity, as I spoke to introduce our play, to point out the similarities between acting and what James O’Keefe does in his videos. “James is not lying,” I suggested, “he is acting; he is role-playing. He is using fiction to reveal a greater truth, which is what drama is all about.”

Now I was not entirely happy with that argument when I made it, but I knew it was better than what O’Keefe himself had offered.

That night I attended the closing banquet of the Chesterton Conference and sat with James O’Keefe. At the same table sat my friends Dale Ahlquist (American Chesterton Society president) and others, and the two of us spent much of our time after dinner talking to James and encouraging him in his desire to serve the truth. I took a liking to James, who seemed astonished that so many people were telling him they would pray for him, and who also seemed distracted and troubled, either by the burden of the forces trying to stop him, or by something else which I couldn’t quite determine.

And after the Conference James and I even kept in casual contact via email. I knew he was particularly interested in the novels of Michael O’Brien, which I am recording as audio books for Ignatius Press, and I was hoping to get him a copy of one, since their spirituality seemed to have a profound impact on him.

And then came the bizarre sting gone awry, reported last October, when James ill-advisedly planned to “faux seduce” a female CNN reporter, Abbie Boudreau, luring her onto his boat amidst pornographic sex toys and pictures, for the purpose of revealing the “veritas” or truth of – well, it wasn’t quite clear what. When this happened, I began blogging about the problematic nature of what James O’Keefe was doing, and quickly learned that this issue divided the American Chesterton Society in two, with many Chestertonians supporting O’Keefe and many joining me in my criticism of him.

It was then that I was told that O’Keefe had secretly recorded his conversation with Dale Ahlquist and me at the closing banquet of the Chesterton conference months earlier! It was not clear why – but it was certainly disturbing that what we thought were private conversations, all aimed at James for his benefit and encouragement, were being recorded by him for whatever reason. I was sorry that I myself hadn’t at that time “faux seduced” James at the banquet, as he was soon to attempt to “faux seduce” Abbie Boudreau on his boat, for the resulting tapes would have been much more entertaining and funny than whatever it was we had said to him in earnest.

But in the midst of this I maintained contact with James O’Keefe, as I still do; for I still admire his spunk and his desire to serve the truth, and to sacrifice a certain amount of personal comfort and security to do so. I criticized him publicly for two reasons: 1. he is a public figure performing public actions, some (but not all) of which are ill-conceived and of dubious morality; and 2. I wanted to make it clear that the American Chesterton Society had not implicitly endorsed James by having him speak at the Conference, since the members of the Society were not united in their support of all of the techniques he uses in his “Project Veritas”. Certainly, an invitation to speak is not necessarily an endorsement – but I was worried it might at some point be spun as if what O’Keefe was doing was Chestertonian. I personally do not think it is, and I think portraying these techniques as Chestertonian is simply hijacking Chesterton, as I took pains to point out here.

But then the great man Chesterton has indeed in this debate been used in defense of what James O’Keefe of Project Veritas and Lila Rose of Live Action are doing. A powerful Chesterton quote was used to excuse lying, when in reality the quote attacks “lying about lying” – but more on that in a minute.


Honesty about Lying

What struck me in this latest battle – and what inspired me to start blogging about it – was how in the first week of the fray over Lila Rose’s Planned Parenthood sting videos, everyone admitted that the role-playing behavior in question was lying.

My involvement in this latest and more bloody round began when James O’Keefe emailed me to ask how I would respond to Christopher Tollefsen of the University of South Carolina, who had criticized Live Action here. James copied in two others into our correspondence, one of whom took offense when I replied, “You really can’t respond effectively to this, for Tollefsen is making excellent points. Your only hope is to claim the undercover videos involved role-playing and not lying. You can fall back upon my original defense that I offered at the Chesterton Conference, the Undercover Journalist as Guerilla Theater Actor defense, which is not a very strong defense, but you can’t really rebut what Tollefsen is saying. The problem with the Role-playing defense is it only applies to actors who are speaking literal falsehoods but not doing so in order to deceive anyone, who are performing for people who are in on the fiction; once you tell a falsehood with the intent to victimize or to deceive someone who’s not in on it – even to achieve a good ultimate end - you are simply lying.” The cc’d correspondent took umbrage with this, and when I quoted the Catechism to support the Church’s position that lying is inherently sinful and may never be done under any circumstances, not even to achieve a greater good, he replied, to my astonishment, “We are not bound by what the Catechism teaches.”

This surprised and disturbed me.

Then, naively, I began to post on this issue on Facebook. At one point I simply cut and pasted CCC 1753, “A good intention (for example, that of helping one’s neighbor) does not make behavior that is intrinsically disordered, such as lying and calumny, good or just. The end does not justify the means” – and to my utter consternation, this became my most controversial post in my two years on Facebook. Within twenty-four hours, this post attracted 150 comments from my conservative Catholic friends, one of whom said, “If this is what the Church teaches, I will gladly die a heretic.” What on earth is going on here? I wondered.

And that same first week we were all stunned when no less than the brilliant Peter Kreeft weighed in supporting Live Action and arguing, in effect, “Intuition trumps the Catechism”. Instead of looking at the theology of lying, with St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas and tradition all condemning the act as evil, and Catholic teaching, including the epistles of St. Paul, condemning doing evil so that good may come, Kreeft said, “Reason includes intuition and our intuition on this issue tells us nothing is wrong here”, ignoring the fact that much of the moral law in Divine Revelation (particularly the Sermon on the Mount) flatly contradicts our intuition and our “moral common sense”, and that Kreeft’s “just so” argument (or “Just say Know”, as I called it) was illogical and unfalsifiable.

Still, there was a healthy mindedness in the first week of that debate. Everyone, from luminaries such as Peter Kreeft on down, frankly admitted that the behavior of these undercover journalists was lying.


Lying about Lying

But since then a strange and sickly twist has occurred. As I wrote in my first blog posts on this, there is legitimate wiggle room in examining this behavior. A case may indeed be made that what James O’Keefe and Lila Rose do is not in fact lying. This is, perhaps, better than simply condemning the Catholic Church and its Catechism outright.

Or is it?

Here’s the Chesterton quote that folks are parading and that has caused even the bold and brilliant Mark Shea to pause 

‘It was absurd to say that Catholics introduced a horrible sophistry of saying that a man might sometimes tell a lie, since every sane man knows he would tell a lie to save a child from Chinese torturers; that it missed the whole point, in this connection, to quote Ward’s phrase, “Make up your mind that you are justified in lying and then lie like a trooper,” for Ward’s argument was against equivocation or what people call Jesuitry. He meant, “When the child really is hiding in the cupboard and the Chinese torturers really are chasing him with red-hot pincers, then (and then only) be sure that you are right to deceive and do not hesitate to lie; but do not stoop to equivocate. Do not bother yourself to say, “The child is in a wooden house not far from here,” meaning the cupboard; but say the child is in Chiswick or Chimbora zoo, or anywhere you choose.’

Now at first glance this quote seems to support telling a vigorous lie when the situation calls for it, which is exactly what Kreeft rightly says our “moral common sense” tells us to do, and since Chesterton is the Apostle of Common Sense, he must be the Apostle of Moral Common Sense as well.

But read this passage more carefully.

First, it appears in this context. This passage appears in The Catholic Church and Conversion as Chesterton lists a number of opinions that were current in his day with which he had to struggle when he decided to enter the Church, opinions about the Catholic Church in England that would normally keep people from embracing it. One of these opinions is the idea that Catholic moral theology permitted lying under certain circumstances. This opinion was wrong, for the consensus of the moral theology of the Catholic Church has never permitted lying. And Chesterton does not appear to realize this , for the opinion he cites had its origin in England during the persecution of the Jesuit martyrs during the Reformation, and was really an objection about “mental reservation” – an objection fueled, I suspect, by the guilt of killing these innocent men and future saints.

But the point is – first, that people condemned the Catholic Church in Chesterton’s day for what they wrongly thought was its teaching that lying was sometimes the right thing to do; lying is never the right thing to do, the common English voice said in response to this imagined teaching – and second, Chesterton responds not by condemning lying, but by condemning lying about lying.

From Macbeth onwards there has been a healthy British disdain for “equivocation”, the practice of telling a lie without having the courage to admit you’re telling a lie. Readers over the age of thirty will recall quite clearly Bill Clinton’s famous, “that depends on what the definition of is is,” a stellar example of equivocation in action. Indeed, when Clinton wagged his finger at the camera and said, “I did not have sexual relations with that woman,” he meant intercourse; if the listeners thought he meant sexual activity other than intercourse, well that was our problem, not his.

And we must be very clear about what Chesterton and the Brits are doing - this healthy rejection of equivocation is NOT an endorsement of lying. The entire point of Chesterton’s quote and of the English tradition since the execution of the Jesuit martyrs is that equivocation is wrong because it is lying about lying; it is a double lie. Equivocation is not wrong because lying is right; equivocation is wrong because lying is wrong, and to play games with words is to lie twice – you are lying to the listener and you are lying to yourself by convincing yourself that you are not telling a lie, when in fact you are and if you had more of a backbone you’d admit that to yourself.

But sadly, even though Dr. Kreeft and others had the backbone to call a spade a spade when this debate began, the argument has settled down to definitions and word play since then.


Clarity 

And yet clear thinking depends on definitions.

For this very reason, much confusion arose in the Torture Wars when torture was defined as “severe corporal punishment”. Torture is not that at all. Torture is the attempt to destroy the Image of God in your fellow man. Torture is using physical or psychological pain to destroy free will and reason in another.

Likewise, lying is not “uttering falsehoods”. If that were all lying is, then acting, story telling, and social pleasantries would all be lies. “A lie,” as the Catechism tells us, “consists in speaking a falsehood with the intention of deceiving”. And try as they might, the Lying for Jesus camp can not ignore the simple fact that without deceiving the target, the sting videos of Live Action and Project Veritas would crumble at the starting gate. Deception is central to what they do.

If James O’Keefe and Lila Rose tell someone they are a pimp and a hooker, with the intention of making that other person believe that, then James O’Keefe and Lila Rose are lying. They are lying to reveal truth, but they are not acting, role-playing, or anything else. They are lying.

They are doing evil so that good may come, but they are lying.

To tell yourself that they are not lying is equivocation. And for the value of equivocation, see Chesterton, supra.

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Now, my dear fellow Catholics and pro-life enthusiasts, it certainly does us no good to judge one another. We must all admit that James O’Keefe and Lila Rose are good and brave people doing what they think best to bring down the Culture of Death. But we can not fight the Culture of Death with a Culture of Deceit. I do not doubt the good intentions of my fellow pro-life warriors who are excited by the illusion of success these techniques are giving us; and it saddens me that many of them are tarnishing those of us who are sounding a warning about this as being armchair pro-life supporters, cowards or Pharisees in this battle.

But doing bad so that good may come is, as Mark Shea has pointed out, a Faustian bargain. Endorsing a lie and excusing a lie is no way to serve Him who is Truth.

John Paul II said, “Truth must be the foundation stone, the cement to solidify the entire social edifice." And Frederich Hebbel said, “One lie does not cost you one truth, but the truth.” And Thomas Jefferson said, “Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom.” And the Word of God Himself said, “To this end was I born and for this cause came I into the world, that I might bear witness to the Truth”, and when Peter denied Jesus with three simple lies, lies which were told to serve a greater good (Peter’s survival), it was the most horrible moment of his life and the most shameful (and human) incident in all of Scripture.

You can not serve Jesus with a lie. You can not destroy the Culture of Death with a Culture of Deception.


What is Being Revealed

During my two week sabbatical from the internet, while on tour, we were treated to dinner at the house of a marvelous Catholic family in Chicago, a family very active in the pro-life movement.

The father told me about standing on the street corner in front of an abortion mill and witnessing to the young mothers who are about to kill their unborn babies. Some of them are only 12 or 13. Some of them are scared. Some of them are cynical. Some of them yell as they drive by, “You’re not making any difference!”

These sidewalk counselors are despised, berated, spat upon, cursed at, buffeted. They do not strike back. They do not lie. They do not torture. They turn the other cheek. They are the suffering Christ to their neighbors, and the witness, though hated, is a profound and honest witness.

The father told me of Saul Alinsky (James O’Keefe’s hero), who was responsible for the plan to undermine the Catholic Church in Chicago and hijack the Democratic Party for what later became full endorsement of abortion.

The father told me of the difficulties of the pro-life work, of his own and his family’s suffering, his endurance, his willingness to follow the light even while surrounded by such darkness and demonic hatred.

And I thought of my own public battles – inconsequential by comparison, fought mostly on the internet. I thought of the Torture Wars, of the attacks I received when defending poverty as a virtue, of the virulent resistance any time I mention Catholic Social Teaching and its expression in Distributism, of the recent scuffle over neo-Pelagianism, of the obstinance of otherwise good Catholics against a rational examination of usury and its effect on our economy, of the resistance we receive trying to book Theater of the Word, of the Kennedy Catholics who torpedoed our pro-life theater tour to Massachusetts, of the mess the liberals have made of the Church, of the anti-Christian education masquerading as “Catholic Schools” and the beatings I’ve taken standing against bad Catholic education, of the attacks in St. Louis and elsewhere on Cardinal Burke and my feeble attempts to defend him, and on and on and on.

And I thought of my own near despair when this most recent issue heated up in cyberspace and left me wondering if there were any Catholics left who hadn’t sold out to Americanism.

And then I recall my dear friend Hilaire Belloc, and something he wrote in The Path to Rome.

He writes of the struggles of reverts, or converts, who become jealous of the things of God.


“We are perpetually thrust into minorities, and the world almost begins to talk a strange language; we are troubled by the human machinery of a perfect and supernatural revelation; we are over-anxious for its safety, alarmed, and in danger of violent decisions.”


It is very tempting to think that we must defend the Church, that it’s all about how much power the liberals have or how to keep the neo-cons from making the whole world into The World Over.

But Belloc is right. It’s not about us. We should not be troubled by the human machinery of this perfect and super-human revelation. We must not be over-anxious for its safety or in danger of violent decisions.

It’s not the liberals who have ruined the Church. It’s not the conservatives who have ruined the Church. It’s the devil who is trying to ruin the Church, and its our fallen human nature that’s helping him.


Meanwhile, I will close with Blessed John Henry Cardinal Newman, who was as opposed to equivocation as any healthy Englishman, and who wrote, “The Church holds that it were better for sun and moon to drop from heaven, for the earth to fail, and for all the many millions who are upon it to die of starvation in extremest agony, so far as temporal affliction goes, than that one soul, I will not say, should be lost, but should commit one single venial sin, should tell one wilful untruth, though it harmed no one, or steal one poor farthing without excuse.”


My friends, if we are to lose the battle, let us lose gloriously as did the martyrs, as Our Lord appeared to lose as he hung on a cross. Let us lose the battle through virtue and win the war over the gates of hell, which can only be overcome by losing our clever stratagems of lying, torture, “making super-disciples”, or even “evangelizing through drama”, for the war is won by Him, and every compromise we make for the sake of efficiency or quick fixes along the way is only alarm, is only a violent decision, is only a human reaction to our own lack of faith in the One who turns death into life, is only our trouble at the human machinery of this perfect and supernatural revelation.

May God bless us all! And may we offer our Lenten sacrifices for Christian unity against the Culture of Death.

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Since I wrote this over two years ago, the argument against lying has been better stated by Mark Shea who points out that the sting videos do not merely involve lying, but tempting others to commit mortal sin; by Frank Weathers who points out that Lying for a Good Cause is exactly what "burns the bridge of trust" and leads to scandals such as this; by Sean Dailey who points out that we are lying to the very people who most need a witness to truth; and by me when I point out that this argument has crossed the line from playing with words into outright blasphemy.

The upshot?

I'm more convinced than ever that the fault is not in ourselves but in the demons who are behind this.  The persistent irrationality, the petulance, the bad manners, the unwillingness to let the issue rest and above all the blasphemy that is now typical in the tactics used by the Lying Apologists in this debate show that this is a far more serious issue than I had suspected.

The devil does not want to destroy the Catholic Church.  He wants to hollow it out and make it a parody of itself, so that, instead of not existing, something of his own will call itself the Catholic Church and will do an unimaginable amount of damage.

May we be "sincere of heart and steadfast" (Sir. 2:2) so that we do not help him in this.

Tuesday, May 21, 2013

Mark Down Another Epic Fail for the Brilliant Idea of Lying for Jesus

Frank Weathers has nailed it.

Lying Apologists, take note.  Take 19.6 million notes.

The best line:

Meanwhile, the bridge of trust, so important for evangelizing, and which had been built so strongly, and maintained so carefully, was willfully neglected, and allowed to fall into disrepair.  All because someone decided that it was more important to protect the reputation of the Church as an institution, than it was to maintain the actual health of the Body of Christ.

Lying about this man cost the Chicago Jesuits $19.6 million.

ADDENDUM: For those of you new to the Lying Debate, my latest post is the most comprehensive thing I've written on it.

Monday, May 20, 2013

Jesus Speaks on the Lying Debate

He speaks here on the Situation in General as well as the Situation in Particular.  (ht Frank Weathers)

Mark Holgate is right.  Catholics need to begin reading the Bible seriously - or at least begin reading the Bible.

Jesus says ...

My teaching is not mine but his who sent me. Anyone who resolves to do the will of God will know whether the teaching is from God or whether I am speaking on my own. Those who speak on their own seek their own glory; but the one who seeks the glory of him who sent him is true, and there is nothing false in him. - John 7:16-18

Or better yet from Msgr. Knox's translation (ht Joe Grabowski) ...

"Jesus answered, 'The learning which I impart is not my own, it comes from him who sent me. Anyone who is prepared to do his will, can tell for himself whether such learning comes from God, or whether I am delivering a message of my own. The man who delivers a message of his own seeks to win credit for himself; when a man seeks to win credit for one who sent him, he tells the truth, there is no dishonesty in him." 

That Nagging Voice of God

This is from an article I wrote for an upcoming issue of The St. Austin Review

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Reaction against Catholic teaching is very strong, perhaps no stronger than among the laity within the Church itself.

As I wrote elsewhere, our attitude in today's culture is not simply I-Want-What-I-Want-When-I-Want-It but, "I want this, and therefore it must be morally good, and if it ain't, well, a little Mental Hopscotch will fix that!"
In other words, I want to do it so it must be good!

This sleight of hand we play in our minds tells us two thing, two very opposite things
1. We all want to do stuff that's bad (this is the Catholic doctrine of Original Sin)
2. We are all driven to rationalize our sins and convince ourselves that what's bad is good - so that we may do it and feel good about ourselves.
While such a one-two punch could easily send any observer of human nature into a kind of
despair, there is something very telling about Number Two.
If Fact Number One proves Original Sin, Fact Number Two proves the existence of God - or at least comes pretty darned close.  For if we didn’t have a Conscience, we wouldn’t need to keep appeasing it.  And Conscience is nothing less than the Voice of God within us.

The Church writes, in Gauduium et Spes, and affirms in the Catechism (paragraph 1776)

"Deep within his conscience man discovers a law which he has not laid upon himself but which he must obey. Its voice, ever calling him to love and to do what is good and to avoid evil, sounds in his heart at the right moment. . . . For man has in his heart a law inscribed by God. . . . His conscience is man's most secret core and his sanctuary. There he is alone with God whose voice echoes in his depths.”

Thus I have noticed what stands as the single most frustrating thing within the Catholic Church in America.  It’s not bad catechesis, bad bishops, the sex scandals, or the liturgical wars.  It’s lay Catholics behaving badly and spending their time convincing themselves they’re the True Catholics and all the others are False.


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Sunday, May 19, 2013

Bible Verses Against Lying

Thanks to Richard Anthony for compiling these.

The next time you hear that the Bible is filled with people who are lying and finding approval from God by lying, quote a few dozen of these ...


"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour" (Exodus 20:16, the eighth Commandment)."…true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth(John 4:23-24).



Leviticus 6:1-4, "And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, If a soul sin, and commit a trespass against the LORD, and lie unto his neighbour…or hath deceived his neighbour…and lieth concerning it, and sweareth falsely; in any of all these that a man doeth, sinning therein: Then it shall be, because he hath sinned, and is guilty,"Leviticus 19:11, "Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another."
Job 11:3,5, "Should thy lies make men hold their peace? and when thou mockest, shall no man make thee ashamed? But oh that God would speak, and open his lips against thee;"
Job 13:4, "But ye are forgers of lies, ye are all physicians of no value."
Job 24:25, "...who will make me a liar, and make my speech nothing worth?"
Psalms 24:4-5, "He…who hath not…sworn deceitfully. He shall receive the blessing from the LORD,"
Psalms 31:6, "I have hated them that regard lying vanities: but I trust in the LORD."
Psalms 31:18, "Let the lying lips be put to silence;"
Psalms 40:4, "Blessed is that man that maketh the LORD his trust, and respecteth not the proud, nor such as turn aside to lies."
Psalms 52:2-4, "Thy tongue deviseth mischiefs; like a sharp razor, working deceitfully. Thou lovest evil more than good; and lying rather than to speak righteousness. Selah. Thou lovest all devouring words, O thou deceitful tongue."
Psalms 58:3, "The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies."
Psalms 59:12, "For the sin of their mouth and the words of their lips let them even be taken in their pride: and for cursing and lying which they speak."
Psalms 62:3-4, "… ye shall be slain all of you…they delight in lies: they bless with their mouth, but they curse inwardly."
Psalms 63:11, "...the mouth of them that speak lies shall be stopped."
Psalms 101:7, "He that worketh deceit shall not dwell within my house: he that telleth lies shall not tarry in my sight."
Psalms 109:2, "For the mouth of the wicked and the mouth of the deceitful are opened against me: they have spoken against me with a lying tongue."
Psalms 119:29, "Remove from me the way of lying: and grant me thy law graciously."
Psalms 119:69, "The proud have forged a lie against me: but I will keep thy precepts with my whole heart."
Psalms 119:163, "I hate and abhor lying: but thy law do I love."
Psalms 120:2, "Deliver my soul, O LORD, from lying lips, and from a deceitful tongue."
Proverbs 6:16-19, "These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren."
Proverbs 8:7, "For my mouth shall speak truth; and wickedness is an abomination to my lips."
Proverbs 10:18, "He that hideth hatred with lying lips, and he that uttereth a slander, is a fool."
Proverbs 12:19, "The lip of truth shall be established for ever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment."
Proverbs 12:22, "Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are his delight."
Proverbs 13:5, "A righteous man hateth lying: but a wicked man is loathsome, and cometh to shame."
Proverbs 14:5, "A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies."
Proverbs 14:25, "A true witness delivereth souls: but a deceitful witness speaketh lies."
Proverbs 17:4, "A wicked doer giveth heed to false lips; and a liar giveth ear to a naughty tongue."
Proverbs 17:7, "Excellent speech becometh not a fool: much less do lying lips a prince."
Proverbs 19:5, "A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall not escape."
Proverbs 19:9, "A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall perish."
Proverbs 19:22, "The desire of a man is his kindness: and a poor man is better than a liar."
Proverbs 21:6, "The getting of treasures by a lying tongue is a vanity tossed to and fro of them that seek death."
Proverbs 26:28, "A lying tongue hateth those that are afflicted by it; and a flattering mouth worketh ruin."
Proverbs 29:12, "If a ruler hearken to lies, all his servants are wicked."
Proverbs 30:6, "Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar."
Proverbs 30:8, "Remove far from me vanity and lies: give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with food convenient for me:"
Isaiah 28:15,17, "Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement;…for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:…the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place."
Isaiah 30:9, "That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD:"
Isaiah 32:7, "The instruments also of the churl are evil: he deviseth wicked devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy speaketh right."
Isaiah 44:24-25, "…I am the LORD…That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad;"
Isaiah 59:2-4, "But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear. For…your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness...they trust in vanity, and speak lies; "
Isaiah 59:12-13, "For our transgressions are multiplied before thee, and our sins testify against us: for our transgressions are with us; and as for our iniquities, we know them; In transgressing and lying against the LORD, and departing away from our God, speaking oppression and revolt, conceiving and uttering from the heart words of falsehood."
Isaiah 63:8, "For he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie: so he was their Saviour."
Jeremiah 7:4, "Trust ye not in lying words,"
Jeremiah 7:8-9, "Behold, ye trust in lying words, that cannot profit. Will ye…swear falsely…and walk after other gods…?"
Jeremiah 9:3, "And they bend their tongues like their bow for lies: but they are not valiant for the truth upon the earth; for they proceed from evil to evil, and they know not me, saith the LORD."
Jeremiah 9:5, "And they will deceive every one his neighbour, and will not speak the truth: they have taught their tongue to speak lies, and weary themselves to commit iniquity."
Jeremiah 14:14, "Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart."
Jeremiah 15:18, "Why is my pain perpetual, and my wound incurable, which refuseth to be healed? wilt thou be altogether unto me as a liar, and as waters that fail?"
Jeremiah 16:19, "...Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit."
Jeremiah 23:14, "I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies:"
Jeremiah 23:26, "How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart;"
Jeremiah 23:32, "Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD."
Jeremiah 27:10, "For they prophesy a lie unto you, to remove you far from your land; and that I should drive you out, and ye should perish."
Jeremiah 29:23, "Because they have committed villany in Israel, and have committed adultery with their neighbours' wives, and have spoken lying words in my name, which I have not commanded them; even I know, and am a witness, saith the LORD."
Ezekiel 13:8, "Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord GOD."
Ezekiel 13:19, "And will ye pollute me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that hear your lies?"
Ezekiel 13:22-23, "Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life: Therefore ye shall see no more vanity, nor divine divinations: for I will deliver my people out of your hand: and ye shall know that I am the LORD."
Ezekiel 22:28, "And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord GOD, when the LORD hath not spoken."
Ezekiel 24:12, "She hath wearied herself with lies, and her great scum went not forth out of her: her scum shall be in the fire."
Daniel 11:27, "…and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper:"
Hosea 4:2, "By swearing, and lying…they break out and blood toucheth blood."
Hosea 7:3, "They make the king glad with their wickedness, and the princes with their lies."
Hosea 10:13, "Ye have plowed wickedness, ye have reaped iniquity; ye have eaten the fruit of lies: because thou didst trust in thy way, in the multitude of thy mighty men."
Jonah 2:8, "They that observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy."
Micah 6:12-13, "…the inhabitants thereof have spoken lies, and their tongue is deceitful in their mouth. Therefore also will I make thee sick in smiting thee, in making thee desolate because of thy sins."
Nahum 3:1, "Woe to the bloody city! it is all full of lies"
Zephaniah 3:13, "The remnant of Israel shall not do iniquity, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth:"
Zechariah 8:16, "These are the things that ye shall do; Speak ye every man the truth to his neighbour;"
Zechariah 13:3, "...Thou shalt not live; for thou speakest lies in the name of the LORD: "
Malachi 2:6, "The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips:"
Matthew 15:19, "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts…false witness…These are the things which defile a man: "
John 8:44, "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."
Acts 5:3, "...why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, "
Acts 26:25, "But he [Paul] said, I am not mad, most noble Festus; but speak forth the words of truth and soberness."
Romans 1:24-25, "…through the lusts of their own hearts…Who changed the truth of God into a lie,"
Romans 9:1, "I say the truth in Christ, I lie not,"
2 Corinthians 11:31, "The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not."
Galatians 1:20, "Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not."
Ephesians 4:25, "Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another."
Colossians 3:9, "Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;"
1 Timothy 1:9-10, "…the law is not made for a righteous man, but…for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;"
1 Timothy 2:7, "Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not)"
1 Timothy 4:2, "Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;"
James 3:14, "But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth."
Titus 1:2, "...God…cannot lie, "
Hebrews 6:18, "...in which it was impossible for God to lie, "
1 John 1:6, "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:"
1 John 2:4, "He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."
1 John 2:21, "I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth."
1 John 2:22, "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son."
1 John 2:27, "But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him."
1 John 4:20, "If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?"
Revelation 2:2, "…thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:"
Revelation 3:9, "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which…do lie;"
Revelation 21:8, "…and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone:"
Revelation 21:27, "And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life."
Revelation 22:14-15, "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are…whosoever loveth and maketh a lie."


Judgment
In the New Testament books, there is an example of two people lying, Ananias and his wife Sapphira. Both of their lives were taken away by the Lord for lying. We should take to heart this example and understand how much God hates lying.

Acts 5:1-11, "But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet. But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him. And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in. And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much. Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out. Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband. And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things."

The Lying Debate has Moved from Mental Gymnastics to Blasphemy

Over at the Ink Desk, Colin Jory writes about The Demand for Social Assurance that Abortion and Sexual Evils are OK

I recall a friend telling in the 1970s of her experiences when trying to present the Church’s teachings on marriage to a school religious education class here in Canberra. The response was aggressive hostility from some (Catholic) girls: “My older sister/brother is living with her/his boyfriend/girlfriend because they are not yet ready to get married. Are you trying to say that she/he is in mortal sin?” “My older sister/brother and her husband/wife are practising contraception because they can’t yet afford to have a baby. Are you trying to say that she/he is in mortal sin?”
Compare this to the Lying Debate.  As I wrote elsewhere ...

I want this, and therefore it must be morally good, and if it ain't, well, a little Mental Hopscotch will fix that!
(For example, that's what I believe is going on in some catechetical circles regarding sex - the attempt to baptize lust; and certainly that's what the Lying Apologists are up to, as are those who complain about Church teaching on abortion and contraception: I want to do it so it must be good!)

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But I want to end my far-too-many posts on this subject with a challenge to Deacon Jim.  I have known him for years and worked with him on a radio project that has quite a few loyal listeners.  I know that in his heart he longs for Jesus Christ and prides himself on being a good Catholic.

Deacon Jim, please do me one favor.

When your fellow Lying Apologists pipe up with, LYING'S OK 'CAUSE JESUS LIED, TOO!!! - will you please protect the honor of Our Lord and Savior and distance yourself from that?  I mean, it's one thing to play mental hopscotch to rationalize a venial sin that we all know to be wrong just because you and others are fond of Lila Rose & James O'Keefe and their well-intentioned but misguided tactics.

It's quite another when you move from mental gymnastics to blasphemy.

To claim that Jesus was a liar is blasphemy pain and simple.

No cause is worth that, my friend.  Redeem your own dignity and renounce those on your side of this movement who claim that "Jesus lied" is a sentence that any Catholic can say in good conscience, or even entertain in his mind.

The rest of this has all been a kind of annoying game, really.  An annoying game that I am very tired of playing.  Lie if you want to, big deal.  Everybody does it and no amount of arguing about it will change human behavior.  Everybody sins and everybody rationalizes their sins.  We've gotten worked up about it, you and I and others, but it's not as serious as we're making it.

But making a case for Lying by calling Jesus Christ a liar - that is serious.  That is more than just playing with words and definitions.  That is an assault on the Sacred Heart Himself.

Please join with me and when you write about this again elsewhere (since I've banned you from commenting here), please make it clear that Our Lord must not be vilified simply for us to feel good about ourselves.  He went through that once on a cross, and there's no need for us to do it to Him again.

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ADDENDUM: Don't believe the liars.  The Bible condemns lying over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.  For proof, see my latest post.

Various Observations

  • My greatest fear - the automatic Facebook status update, "Kevin O'Brien listened to Percy Faith on Spotify."

  • If you ever doubt that we're in need of salvation - if you ever start to think that mankind ain't so bad after all - if you ever begin to feel warm and fuzzy toward your neighbor, I have the cure for you. Spend some time on the internet.

  • The lower the self-esteem, the greater the ego.

  • If we had nothing else to go on but the existence of love, we would have evidence of God.

  • Living the Lie is devotion to Unreality. And perhaps the greatest form of hell is this - what we do to others, we are forced by some inexorable law to do to ourselves.  It's bad enough to lie to our neighbor: but in hell you'll find thousands of liars running around all day long lying to themselves, repeating the same empty lies over and over again.  In this debate, if you'll listen closely, you'll hear them murmur, "It's not really a lie and anyway it's OK to lie.  It's not really a lie and anyway it's OK to lie.  It's not really a lie and anyway it's OK to lie."  Yes, I get mad that they keep trying to fool to me - but imagine how they feel going around all day and night trying to fool themselves.